Thought Robot without any effort. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to. The Beyonder in. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". He is True Omnipotent inside. u/nullfather can attest to that. the fulcrum vs astral regulator thanos vs pre retcon beyonder. ) should be banned from the Battles Forum, as any fight they're in will end with. There is a reason for his name "the one above all". Azathoth is TOAA of lovecraft. It is embedded. They were both supreme powers above the LT. 493. Classic Beyonder is the most powerful being ever imagined by TOAA and drawn. He stomps all round. Bugs' power of seduction could also cause significant problems for the Beyonder, as Bugs has. Jul 30, 2018. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. And Pre-Retcon Beyonder wasn't "TOAA" before TOAA. TOAA > PM Grant Morrison avatar from Animal Man #26 = TOAA Its not a rip-off if the later one is better written. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Lovecraft's mythos is vague and open ended, but a high end interpretation is that Yog Sothoth is inaccessible and beyond all hierarchies of infinity. Beyonder both times, i find God of stories loki just generally to be wanked by flowery wording and shitty interpretation, hes still currently god of stories and got shit on by Donald Blake who just had some power of Thor and the World Serpant. He's nowhere near Beyonder levels. ago Almighty wins against Beyonder and Oblivion. Who will win in a fight between Beyonder and The Presence? Menu. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. TOAA also exists outside the comic as the writer and. So my problem here is while debating with Beyonder fans. Stalemate. 1. Forum Posts. The only way Protege would copy Beyonder's powers is if Beyonder allowed it. you are skirting the lines of the no-limits. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. it would be mostly stalemate. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. 5 years ago. Created by Loony_Toony. Even his counterpart, The One Below All, is actually an alter-ego of himself, not a separate entity. Advertisement Coins. No one is that powerful. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. Pre-retcon Beyonder. PR beyonder can take all and stalemate with TOAA. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Beyonder came into the story as a result from one of Molecule Man's experiments gone wrong, right, he did not exist before that and his appearence was the. Beyonder is nigh omnipotent so he wins. It's impossible that 2 truly omnipotents co-exist in the same universe. and it can be said so is spectre. Beyonder came into the story as a result from one of Molecule Man's experiments gone wrong, right, he did not exist before that and his appearence was. The One Above All has no equal. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. the Beyonder was the supreme being of the Marvel Universe before the introduction of TOAA or Oblivion. And although they themselves are Drawings to us (God appeared on panel in FF#511) EVERYTHING else in Marvel is Drawings to them, from Thanos/THOTI to Aunt May. Beyonder is on the level with The Spectre who takes orders for the presence. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. 9 years ago mysticmedivh'The Beyonder operates on levels unimaginable to me. And such a thing as "above omnipotence" doesn't exist. Who wins?PR Beyonder was at the time OMNIPOTENT -- He was supposed to the the TOAA equivalent from his own Megaverse!, it has been retconed a number of times but the retconns are irrelevant to the argument. 9. Don't get me wrong, The Beyonder (pre-retcon) is still within top 5 most powerful Comic Characters (likely top 10), but is nowhere near the most powerful fictional character. Aug 10, 2018 #25 Well beyonder is just fiction to oblivion. Thanos wins. That being said, I'm fairly certain that Thanos and the Beyonder take this. Beyonder 16. Lucifer and Michael are second to God, period. He is True Omnipotent, he was TOAA before TOAA was introduuced. Follow 4160. But despite the immense power, the chasm between The Living Tribunal and TOAA is infinite. 4 years ago. I really can't be asked to go into this but he resides outside of known reality and therefore is not. @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. Beyonder is literally the strongest being in marvel only second to toaa period. 56 results. Even The. The Living Tribunal answers only to TOAA and is regarded by him and every other abstract entity in Marvel as being omnipotent and literally "above" them all in terms of power and importance. No they don't, Beyonder (Weather it's Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon) stomps Anti-Spiral and the whole Gurren Lagann universe. OTG 1 y 5 mo 27 d. Marvel is a pretty strong verse, but is there anyone who can beat it? Even with a VS as wide ranging as battling the whole Marvel-verse, it still helps to get some specifics nailed down in the OP. Phoenixblue. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. 5 years ago. 1 year ago. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Man-Thing Divine Creator's Staff 6. So, I have TOAA (plot device) above the PR Beyonder (character). Ima go with byonder. Definitely Beyonder. Situation 3:If all of them are bloodlusted, the battle ends in less than a minute with the last standing being TOAA and Presence. Cactus. The TOAA and Presence will beat Beyonder but if you look at my first post. There was a guy that could copy powers that defeated the LT. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotion So you see, in order for TOAA to totally and permanently destroy the "Real" and "True" Beyonder aka the Beyonder God he has to kill Billy219 and everyone who has ever read Secret Wars or knows. Juntai. Like this for instance in Secret Wars II beyonder was beyond the marvel multiverse, multiverse then later there was suddenly a omniverse all governed by TOAA, TOAA began with a multiverse and suddenly got a omniverse to play with, but do you see him get retcon no, but his power just grow exponentially, the same with LT in Secret Wars II he was. PR Beyonder was TOAA for marvels universe before. Impossibly powerful and unimaginably wise, the Living Trinity's power far outclasses beings like Thanos, Galactus, and the Celestials!. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. 13 years agoEdit: Looking at the respect threads PR Beyonder actually seems a lot more impressive, and it seems my point regarding Lucifer being half the Presence was wrong. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. TOAA is a god for gods. Isnt TOBA far weaker and limited than TOAABeyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U!The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. he could just copy TOAA and become the new TOAA himself. I really can't be asked to go. TOAA definitely has better feats (his avatar destroyed countless universes) so he should take this. It was said that she is the spark of creation. Beyonder and TOAA can be equals in tier but completely different in power one is in awhile larger scale of exsistence than the other 1 sees his exsistence as laughable. Beyonder for the curbstomp. Zeus (mythoology) vs The One Above All. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. beyonder was easily destroying multi verses. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. In Marvel he is just that, Above All. TLT is a servant of TOAA and is below TOAA in terms of power, TLT is able to turn off the infinity gauntlet in the hands of Adam Warlock and beat people like Protoge with a little help from Scathan, judge people like Beyonder, etc and is above people like Eternity, Infinity who are above people like Galactus or Odin who are above space, time. Not even beyonder is that powerful. I think Darwin will take it 7/10 since you removed the "flight" option of fight or flight. The Presence decided to wage war with TOAA and gathered an army to fight TOAA TOAA the Marvel god! not the celestial These are the members of the army: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Saints of Killers with. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War. Pre Nemesis she was the Infinity Being who really was the original TOAA if you really want to get technical. Pre-retcon Beyonder. Living Tribunal cannot and has never once, not ever, enacted beyond universal destructive capabilities without the concent of TOAA. Nope. DC hasn't even created beings on his level, because they realize that something that powerful. Thanos Astral Regulator 19. Here is a scan where he states even he was shaped by external forces and he couldn't defeat the Great Evil Beast" camp and the "Yeah-huh, that scan is inconclusive as he could be referring to the writers and since the GEB was his other half, it might be just. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true beyonders come from outside of our multiverse as well when instead they merely come form another dimension to our universe. Beyonder 39%. Team The Daughter Of Mortis - vs - Team Beyonder #. beyonder Yep, lol. As. Reply. Superhero Battle match: Beyonder versus The Presence. Neutral TOAA, is a dubious omnipotent being, it just depends on the will of the writers. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. 3. Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. According to Marvel, a single celestial has. Reply. Beyonder trivially. Thanos mastering the Heart of the Universe does not equal him to infinity, or the one above all. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. So there are two possibilities here. Comet is a Fun & Gaming Community where you can enjoy benefits for free! Daily giveaways, custom games currency | 5348 memberscalling themselves "God" (an Artist) and the "Collaborator" (the Writer) I presume TOAA. Yasin Rap said: The one above all is not included, but pre-retcon Beyonder & the whole Beyonder race is. The Divine Order is where LT gets it's powers from. Beyonder is beyond the universe. In terms of creation, TOAA can copy or recreate Rimuru and Anos' power. Yes, TOAA is the only true omnipotent being in Marvel - however the WPotC is now the creator, judge, jury, executioner and destroyer of the multiverse. TOAA (not the Above All Others version) is NOT The Presence counterpart (Marvel-DC), this character is the equivalent to The Writer. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Hajun via feats and implied power. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. Bugs would take down the Beyonder easily, he'd just rewrite reality so that the Beyonder was a turtle. Viners voted on it. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. He's above Dr. Then House Of Ideas 12. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. Dormammu said: Beyonder outclasses her heavily, Featherine would be a better match. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. I think Brevoort's answer was a way of taking a dig at Shooter's take on the character and flaunting his power to ret con characters such as Beyonder(prob as being toaa in his own mind). No Alien X & No Ascalon and no Godly powers ups like Phoenix/Beyonder/Captain Universe/Cosmic Cube Round 2. (Is a Aspect of true TOAA, probably the Strongest aspect, because he dreams everything in marvel except the HOI, and he dreamed the love and hate the weapons of TOBA, and TOAA,. Words that describe the idea that Beyonder is equal to TOAA. ". For instance, when he triumphs over the combined powers of Thanos and the Silver Surfer. Power of love spiderman is probably one of the strongest spidermans this version wakes up one day and seems confused but he notice that in his world all of everything is into one thoughts dreams imaginations time space and universes collide into one which is called the Nexus. 14 years ago. Max Deen. and yes, its the. Jayfournines. Reply [deleted] • Additional comment actions. 1. He had to use a large portion of his power to even effect concepts and was effected by physical attacks. KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > The LT with the backing of the TOAA vs. . 10 years ago. TOAA is omnipotent. No one can defeat that. ago. He was not aware of other Beyonders and misinterpreted his personal universe as everything in existence. Oldfather 18. . #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. Beyonder can manipulate the universe at his will, and on top of that, it is part of the reason why. From secret wars there was only one beyonder. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. . The One Above All (Marvel Comics) + The Presence (DC Comics) CONDITIONS: Versions: Strongest known canon versions. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) vs Beatrice both at 1A who will win´╝ƒ. They could literally blink the Beyonders out of existence by simply having a character state "one day the Beyonders were gone. 7K subscribers Join Subscribe 3K. 3. 56 results. The one above all beyond everything even beyonder realms. That said, TOAA and The Presence are both omnipotent, so neither one of them can actually defeat the other, but at the same time they can both defeat the other, but the other can undo the other, while the other undoes the other's undoing just before the other defeats the other by removing the other except the other removes the other while. 2. The Beyonder kicks both their asses though, not the current beyonder but the first one. If this. Neither of. M. Absolutely not Definitely yes Ellis Foster Been reading comics since before I could read. That's it. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. bunker_man • 2 mo. 1 Answer. Sẽ có sự nhầm lẫn, Beyonder là hiện thân của Đa vũ trụ, là tập hợp các yếu tố định luật vật lý của đa Vũ trụ lúc chưa hình thành, nghĩa là ở một đẳng cấp mà không một thực thể hay. TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. They’re both fairly obvious picks. TOAA mops the floor with these two. Toba Hulk 7. @Matezoide said: " One Above All celestial = Beyonder kicks his @ss One Above All god = TOAA makes Beyonder cry ". Both are in character. The more powerful Thanos becomes, CA Superman will surpass it. Or demonbane becoming a part of YA. The Phoenix Force can do its best, but The Beyonder might capture it in a glass bottle and take it home like some odd curiosity one finds at a flea market. 0. Marvel had two God's, then changed to One Above. PR Beyonder > TOAA and all His/Its Omniverse Beyonder may have been from outside the Marvel multiverse, however he is still a Marvel property and would come under the jurisdiction of Marvels supreme being. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. vs. She-hulk and GoS Loki can both negate/resist the affect of Plot Manipulation user, she-hulk forced her writer to rewrite her story and GoS Loki was able. Given that he included the IG, its fair to assume that he wanted it to work. 2. So this battle is TOAA vs. ~ Stan Lee Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". Molceule Man is powerful, and I believe he once contained a multiverse in a box, but there is no chance he can beat. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotionAbout Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise. HOTU is directly powered by TOAA (starlin/writer). Beyonder Beyonder Earth-616. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. While the Living Tribunal is still the judge officially, the Phoenix Force can do everything the. bluepride1234. dunno where they went other than TOAA clapped his hands and they were gone. . ReplyThe Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. Like thanos becoming toaa with HOTU. MOM hasn't shown any feats to suggest that he is on the same exact level as TOAA, let alone Pre-Recton Beyonder. The Great Evil Beast is on the level with The Presence. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. omnipotent means infinite power. The Beyonder is an infamous member of the Beyonder race. . Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of). About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. TOAA would be above Spawn, according to Marvel's hierarchy. 2,459 485. The "Nuh-uh, Presence is not omnipotent. While Bruce may have had god's full power (and I doubt that he did) he lacks the. Based on the events post Secret Wars, TOAA is supposed to be beyond the Beyonder. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Both fighters understand to sum level that they each "become more powerful over time" but not the specifics (adapting to survive/zenkai boosts and transformations)The PR Beyonder was hands-down the most powerful antagonist Marvel ever produced, and the greatest multiverse-buster from any company. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. TOAA is above all. 8 years ago. 14 years ago. to win. [11] The One-Above-All is the sole creator of all existence in the Marvel Multiverse and possibly the Omniverse. Recall the first being that we met who called itself a Beyonder. The LT is likely around the angels level, he is the officially strongest creation of TOAA. XXBEERUSXX • • 1 yr. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Team The Daughter Of Mortis I'm Unsure about this one. ' beyonder is millions of times more powerful thsn LT, TOAA, Fulcrum and every other Marvel guy combined. I think the idea. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. Hulk wins, he keeps getting madder and stronger and than thunderclaps the one above all and TOAA only wishes he could negate that dreadful healing factor plus the Hulk can jump really high up in. - MUSICvisual effects that I use in my videos!INSTAGRAM: nick_. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Nyx House Of Ideas 10. and MoM = ToAA both are supreme gods of respective omniverses. Pre-Retcon is irrelevant (has been for decades) only current The Beyonder and members of his species count 1 versus 1 All try their hardest to win Round 1: Peak condition and trying hard Round 2: Augmentation (like sundipping for kryptonians) and trying hard. Both have absolute 100% control. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. and so Jim Starlin wrote Comics scenario, to his liking, how Thanos managed to take the astral regulator created by the TOAA and absorb it. Minstry_of_pain. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. ago. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. Victory by permanent death or erasure. . Follow 1627. The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). same gods in the marvel verse would effortlessly stomp kaguya. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. . so the problem is that, Oblivion kinda has an upgrade in ranks during the decades, in the past Oblivion was kinda in the same rank that Eternity, Infinite and lady death, but in more modern comics, is hinted that he is way above that, The Chaos King that was revealed to be just a avatar of oblivion, basically a strand of oblivion hair, was above Eternity, The Griever that was destroying the. . Beyonder is marvel. This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Bteatesthighlander1 •. ( Im the TS) The beyonder will fight every comic character other than TOAA and the Presence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. This. Same goes for Jean's human parents. Kuuko273. Wiki Points. DarkGodBane • 7 yr. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Jayfournines. -This version is considered to be Omnipotent. Marvel's cosmology and hax are shit. ago. Reviews: 0. @majestic99. TOAA is omnipotent in the Marvel multiverse , not outside of it. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre # 493 Team The Spectre Mandrakk is above presence, toaa and all characters here. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. If we however assume that Johnny isn't just above Deku and Bakugo where Deku and Bakugo. Goku (dragonball) vs Darwin (marvel comics) Comics version of Darwin not movie. Darwin is able to limitlessly adapt to survive certain death situations. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. 0. The Heart of the Universe makes this rather one sided. 2. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. The One Above All (TOAA) is supposed to represent the writers of Marvel. During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. Hands down. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. You can't be above him. The One Above All | MCOC | TOAA VS THE BEYONDER |. Master Chief, Guts, Captain America, Batman, Aragorn, Geralt, Levi and Black Noir vs. Beyonder's legitimately more powerful. First debuting in Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #1, this Beyonder gave. Sppople. He is the true Monotheistic Supreme God of the Marvel Omniverse and the sole master of the cosmic overseer; The Living Tribunal. [12] He is also. But this time we use current NON-OMNIPOTENT versions of the characters currently retconned. This allows him to teleport billions of people, establish telepathic linkages between realities, and even employ it in battle. The Glory is an infinite-dimensional temporal construct that holds the infinite dimensional multiverse in Doctor Who together. 1. In the end Jim was a single employee within the company, his actions were- under review by his superiors. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. At least, not anymore. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. The True Beyonder vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Thespacelord;. The celestial is probably still well above Manhattan but I'm not as sure there. . I'm thinking Thanos. And he loses. Beyonder won't evenn make any difference more than the ant. Kitsunw. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Beyonder being > Oblivion aint change the fact that Beatrice steamrolles Marvel sans TOAA . About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. #1. Two deities would acknowledge each other and move on. 193 4. there are many verse bigger and stronger than marvel like DC. Dude’s absolutely broken. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time Runs Out/Secret Wars saga makes it difficult to confirm but, honestly, TOAA can just remove and recreate the omniverse (as implied in Marvel: The. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. if we are highballing then this Beyonder said to be the toaa before the toaa meaing he is omnipotent. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. Basically this plays out the same way when he became God Emperor Doom but now all the beyonders he takes power from are pre-retcon beyonders. No it is not. " I am the One Above All. Wiki Points. TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch.